Today the Supreme Court issued a ruling in the Noonan v Bowen case that clears President Obama on claims made by Orly Taitz of identity theft and serving while ineligible to be President. Taitz had used this case to dump mounds of “evidence” upon the court including a last minute supplement brief with an affidavit from another of Taitz’s stable of Keystone-Kops-like amateur sleuths one Albert Hendershot from Alabama. The court found it was not compelling and issued the one line denial just minutes ago.
Taitz’s motion requested that the certification of the electoral votes in California be stayed as well as the certification by Congress. Both event have long since occurred as well as the Inauguration of President Obama.
Taitz was not available for comment as I wrote this article.
This denial ends the long string of futile litigation for Taitz. All that remains are a couple of exceedingly stupid and moot cases. One is in Mississippi where Taitz sought to prevent Obama’s name from appearing on the November ballot and another in the Eastern District of California where Taitz is suing to prevent the Electoral College from voting and Congress from certifying the electoral vote on behalf on an unsuccessful Romney elector from Minnesota among other losers.
The only reason for following these remaining silly cases is to see if the judges decide to put an end to this pretend lawyer’s abuse of the courts by imposing fees and sanctions that will put enough of a dent in the pocket book of her husband Yosef so that he decides to pull the plug on the antics of his Russian bride who pretends to be a civil rights attorney. Time will tell. Even the California Bar might wake up some day……some day.
A well-phrased headline.
I may need to join the Twitter-verse to share the fun.
Thank you.
Of course I don’t know exactly what went on and what did not at SCOTUS (I have a good idea though) except that they denied a completely absurd motion for stay by someone pretending to be a real attorney. I couldn’t resist rubbing it in since Orly Taitz, ORYR, Obama Hustle, and other Birther blogs played this up for weeks as if the Justices were going to sit there pouring over Taitz’s
applicationnonsense for hours and then rule that Obama had committed fraud. Taitz happily let her flying monkeys say over and over again that there was going to be a hearing when she of course knew better. Now that it has been denied they themselves are also in denial.Why is that you folks always immediately revert to name-calling? I don’t understand. It would seem to me that people don’t sign their names to affidavits under penalty of perjury just for the heck of it. You know, underneath all of the noise and hoopla about this; there are at least a few facts. Why don’t we stick to them hmm?
No one has given an affidavit in this case under penalty of perjury. If you are referring to what we call “daffydavits” like the one Albert Hendershot filed it was not given under penalty of perjury. This case was not in discovery and no one requested sworn testimony.
People sign their names to affidavits under penalty of perjury for many reasons. In the cases of Zullo, Irey, Vogt, and Arpaio (among others) they mostly fall in the category of “Using unexpert techniques, I have carefully examined a completely irrelevant computer file, and in my thoroughly unqualified personal opinion, it has been tampered with.” To which the completely proper answer, from the courts or from any sane person, is “so what?”
Obama’s own actions are enough to support some of the birther’s suspicions about his nationality. One of the strongest points of contention, is why won’t Obama release his college records. Is there something to hide? Release of his records would shoot down the birther arguments he is not an American Citizen. However, it is possible Obama is a US Citizen, however, lied on college applications to get loans or consideration. That would also be a form of fraud by means of being a Foreign Exchange Student.
Trump offered up 5 million $’s for Obama to open his records, but he did not. It would have been the perfect forum for Obama to get a slam dunk in your face on the birther movement right before the election. But Obama did not take the deal.
Obama’s own actions and words are enough to raise suspicions. “My Muslim Faith,” Michelle said, “Barak’s home country of Kenya”, and the photos of him wearing Muslim clothing. Obama should open his college records to end the birther movement all together. But I suspect there is something to hide in his records.
Citizen Kane said:
No rational person would hold any suspicions about his nationality. He was born in Hawaii, period. That makes him a natural born citizen of the United States. His college records are private and irrelevant to his eligibility to be President. You may dream there is something there but Obama should not release what other Presidents have not to satisfy the prurient interest of a few kooks.
Trump is a buffoon. The President has nothing to gain wasting time on this moron. Trump had already shown he is a liar and listening to other liars like Jerome Corsi. There is no reason to believe he was serious with this offer. He would find a way to weasel out just like Joseph Farah has reneged on his promise to donate $15,000 to Kapi’olani hospital.
No matter what his upbringing President Obama professes to be a Christian today. The is no evidence to the contrary. His religion has nothing to do with eligibility to be President. We do not have a state religion in this country despite what some people seem to think.
Fascinating.
… and the “strongest point of contention” brought forward in support of this? Not an action, but an INACTION. Something Obama did NOT do. Debate fail.
Obama also did not donate $5M to sick babies. Why does Obama hate sick babies?
Obama did not call me on my birthday. Why does he not respect the tradition of American birthdays?
Typical birther rubbish.
Really? You cannot think of ANY OTHER reason why he would not respond to an appeal to release his college records? NO credible reason? I can think of a dozen, easily, none of which have anything to do with having “something to hide.” You can’t, too? Really??
Birthers have proven time and again that they are intellectually dishonorable goal-post movers of the sleaziest kind. Rewind: “Show us the BC and this will be all over.” The President’s COLB, the current legal prima-facie authoritative document from Hawaii was produced. “Show us the long form and it’ll all be over.” Even though the COLB is what any Hawaiian would use to get a passport, security clearance, anything… the “long form” is produced. Despite all this, Republican Secretaries of State still ask for their very own official verifications of BHO’s birth in Hawaii. They get them.
You put a lot of emphasis on “sworn affidavits.” There is no more weighty sworn affidavit than what the Hawaiian officials wrote and signed certifying BHO’s birth records. But somehow, to y’all, these career public servants with clean records (some of them Republicans) are lying and committing fraud, but the “sworn affidavits” of convicted felons, forgers, and fools are rock-solid.
Nothing exists that can be produced to prove BHO in a perfectly eligible Natural Born Citizen (which he in fact is) that would be acceptable to Birthers. They will, disingenuously and erroneously, insist that WHATEVER is produced is a fake.
Eventually the Obama Administration basically said “Bite me. You get nothing else.” Birthers won’t accept the authority of BHO’s legally prescribed and sufficient official records which any court of judge in the land would accept, and have accepted. Who in the flock died and made every barely-literate Birther King, or even Judge and Jury?
We’ve had it, and you can stamp your little Birther feet all you want. You’re done.
Bite me.
After serving four years as the President of these United States and then being re-elected to the Presidents position isn’t it time to allow this man to be the Commander in chief. Why must the majority of people in these United States be sujected to the nonsence of so few. LET IT GO
L. Allen
Absolutely! Well said.
I would love for this man to start acting like a real leader….I’m still waiting….waiting….waiting….*sigh*…. probably won’t happen. I’m no longer worried about where this guy came from or whether he cheated the system along the way…I’m more worried about his current zany ideas and where he wants to take our country, his inability to form consensus with his political opposition, his increasing self-isolation and secrecy, his tendency to be a drama queen, his sense that the Constitution is just so much toilet paper and his notion that he can kill Americans without due process just because he’s President. I think even Liberals would agree with me on that last one. Obama is quickly turning into one scary dude. He’s become our very own Hugo Chavez…
Absolutely! Well said.
You both need to stop basing your beliefs on Republican/Fox News talking points. Not one thing Mark says is grounded in reality. Typical, really. I have news for you: the world is going to be a bumpy ride for you if you think you can believe whatever you want and it becomes so.
I pity you.
“Joseph Farah has reneged on his promise to donate $15,000 to Kapi’olani hospital.”
I remember that. However, Obama’s Long Form BC has been proven to be fake by Arpaio’s investigation. WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, anything that Hawaii says regarding verifications is self-serving, especially since the forged copy contains the stamp and seal of Hawaii (Therefore Hawaii has no choice but to state the Obama’s BC is legit.) As for Kapiolani, the hospital has never publically verified Obama was born there. All attempts to gain access to some tangible proof has been met with threats of arrest.
That is BS. It has not been proven to be a fake, Hawaii has verified it so it cannot be a fake. Why can’t you get that through your pea-sized brain JY?
Aw, RC, don’t fluster the poor little fella. He obviously doesn’t have the first clue what a birth certificate actually is.
Or about anything else for that matter.
I used to work in L&D in Kapualani Hospital (where he was “born”) They issue a very unique hospital birth certificate. I’ve never seen it. I’ve only seen a long form certificate of live birth. Very different items.
Mary anne
While it would be interesting to see one of those the hospital issued certificates are keepsakes and of no legal value. President Obama has shown two state issued documents that are iron-clad proof that he was born in Honolulu and at Kapi’olani Medical Center.
Yes, I agree the college records would compelling to look at. I would like to see documents where Obama may have declared citizenship or place of birth. Recall, that Obama told his literary agent he was born in Kenya. [No, the literary agent made an error. Obama never told her anything of the sort. Why are you lying jy?] The agent claims it was an error but I believe she is probably lying. [Of course you believe she is lying jy because you are a moron.] I would also like to know what kind of funding was involved in Obama’s education. Remember, documented testimony has revealed that Obama’s college funding was financed by the Bill Aryer’s family. [That is from your favorite source Wild Nut Daily and has never been confirmed of course. Ayers and Obama first met in 1995 long after Obama's college days.]
If you cannot trust the Chief Judge of the United States to know the difference between right and wrong who can you trust?
“Chief Judge”? Is there such a thing?
I would have thought someone who would like to be seen as knowing the law better than the Supreme Court would at least get the title right.
But we’ll let that slide — since you know the law — imagine you are Chief Justice, and someone applies to the Court for a stay. They ask the Court to prevent — to stay — a state official from carrying out a duty that the official is scheduled to carry out on a specific date. When the Court receives the application, that date is two months in the past, and the state official has already performed the duty that you are being asked to prevent.
Do you grant the application?
I do not pretend to know the law but it is wrong what the courts and doing to the United States. When this country goes to pot it will all be Jodge Roberts fault. Where are the citizens that will stand for right in the United States?
You appear to be saying the court was wrong. So in their place you WOULD have granted the application for a stay. And ordered the state official to refrain from performing the act that they already performed two months previously.
Maybe it’s just me, but that seems pointless, and probably improper. Personally, I would rather the courts not engage in pointless and improper activity.
I assume you do not understand this point of view.
Nels, thank you for commenting on my blog post. You said:
Can you see the logical inconsistency in your statement? If you took the time to understand the law you would see that the courts have applied the law correctly in every Birther case. Were they to rule otherwise they would be doing the country a great injustice and would be violating their oaths as judges who after all have only one job and that is to apply the law as written.
I seriously doubt if even one justice ever saw Orly’s petition. Orly’s petition probably received a DENY recommendation from a SCOTUS law clerk and in Conference the Justice saw a Case Number with recommendation of DENY. The Justice see no need to second guess clerks and rubber stamped the denial. I think RC’s post is misleading. It should state that SCOTUS LAW CLERKS DENIED Orly’s petition; not the justices. In fact, I am willing bet money that not 1 Justice ever read one word of Orly’s petition.
John, I’ve looked back through RC’s post, and I’m not seeing where he stated that THE JUSTICES denied Orly’s application (not petition).
I know birthers are not the most careful of readers and have difficulty with comprehension, but perhaps you could point me to it?
johnvanpelt is correct. Orly did not file a “petition”. She filed a motion for stay. The events she was trying to have stayed had already occurred. A real attorney would have never filed such a ridiculous piece of garbage. A real attorney would have at least withdrawn it as moot.
Did you look at the Order List for the conference that was issued on 2/19? There were over 600 (probably closer to 700) cases that were ruled upon and only one or two petitions or motions were granted. The rest were denied. It had been less than a month since the last conference on January 18th.
Do you think a single justice read every one of those cases? There has to be a filtering process for the court to function. I can safely predict this piece of garbage filed by Taitz got no more than a sentence or two in a summary by one of the clerks and the word moot was probably used.
I say let the non bias experts look at the birth certificate and his college records. Also have them determine the validity of Obama’s SS # and everyone accept their findings as fact. Then if there is indeed a tampered with birth certificate and he is using the wrong SS # ……..Call him to the carpet to explain once and for all and then determine what violations of law he has committed. If there is none then there is nothing to worry about.
There is nothing to worry about now.
Moreover, your scenario is impossible.
If any expert looked at BHO’s Hawaiian records, SS application or anything else and proclaimed them authentic, you Birfoons would holler that the “experts” who did so were biased!
The only expert finding you would accept as “unbiased” would be one that found that the records are forgeries.
That’s why we’re done with you idiots: you are not operating in good faith. Good faith means you accept the possibility that you may be wrong, and you don’t.
You get nothing else. Barack Obama will be remembered as an excellent President, Bush will be remembered as the worst, and there’s nothing you can do about that. Get over it.
How’s that kool-aid taste? He’s Indonesian, and you guys damn well know it. You libs pulled a fast one, and it will come out, but only after this inept buffoon ruins what’s left of our country. And another thing, the Republicans are just as bad. They allowed this crap to continue when they were in charge. Anything that happens now is our own damn faults. We’re on here arguing with each other while our idiot DC “leadership” continues to deal death blows to our very foundation. Nothing will change. So keep up your sniveling over your unqualified President while the Republicans plot to take over once again and continue Obama’s horrible record. The two parties are actually one and the same.
How’s that racism feel? Does it make you all tingly? Or are you just pissed that Obama on his worst day is brighter and more competent than you on your best day? Does wallowing in your racism and bitterness ameliorate the sting of knowing in the pit of your stomach that actually Obama has been an exceptional President, and history will remember him as such until the day you croak, and for the rest of time? That those who claim he is ineligible or unqualified will rate barely a footnote in history, and even if you are mentioned, it will be to note how feckless and gullible you were?
Just curious.
Typical lib response to actuall suggestions and debate topics…name-calling. So, I complain about both parties, and you surmise that I’m a racist. Let’s see then, you’re a liberal, so you must be a welfare mooch. See how that works, genius? Both people blaming and calling names doesn’t get anything done, much like our broken Congress and inept President and Cabinet. You don’t think he’s inept? Then how do you explain him not knowing about “Fast and Furious” or ICE letting thousands of illegal immigrant criminals go? He’s either inept or he’s lying…your choice, Moocher.
What did it for me was that Obama confused Star Wars with Star Trek this week. No real American kid would ever do that. LOL. Relax, folks. We only have four more years of Obama and he’ll be gone. We can all move on to a real proven consensus leader like Hillary Clinton or one of several good Republican governors. Liberals can fawn and sigh while fondly remembering Obama. Conservatives can cuss his hide and go into convulsions at hearing his name….and we can all get on with repairing our broke country, our broke businesses, and our broke selves. There will be sunshine after darkness. We all know it.
You are kidding right? You actually think that combining a Star Wars and Star Trek meme is proof the President was not born in the US? That is about the dumbest birther claim yet.
This is the very basis of the entire birther movement. It all can be boiled down to “We don’t think Obama is a valid president because we hate him because he’s a n—-r.” Show me one birther anywhere who approves of the job Obama’s doing as president. And while I won’t claim that every birther is racist, I guarantee it would have been a non-issue with them if he were a white man. They hate that he got elected (twice), and the birther (non)issue is the only thing they have to hold onto any more. It’s quite sad, really.
I do seem to remember a few years back when the Republicans were considering doing away with the natural-born citizen requirement when they thought that Ah-node Schwarzenegger might run for president. Funny how something they saw as unimportant back then is the most important thing ever these days.
I wanted to call the previous President on the carpet for taking us into a war on a packet of lies. I was as successful as you will be with your silliness over a birth certificate. 4000 American men and women died unnecessary over Bush’s and Cheney’s lies. How many have died over piss ant Birthers’ manufactured concerns? I thought so.
Yep, and how many more have died since Obama has been President? Remember, he was going to get us out of there in less than a year. Yeah, right.
Legal decisions are made on the criterion of “best evidence”. The “best evidence” of President Obama’s citizenship were the birth certificates he presented. People’s suspicions, “sworn affidavits”, typewriter analyses by non-experts etc. have no probative value. The lower courts recognized this. Eventually it was appealed up to SCOTUS and SCOTUS declined it. End of story.
Larry
Sorry I was busy and took so long to approve your accurate comment. You can post without moderation now.
We seem to have several one and done Birthers posting in the comments here. That is typical Birther behavior though. They leave a comment with stuff they read at Wild Nut Daily or Orly;s blog and when they see they are out of there league they crawl back into the woodwork.
Riiiiggghhhhttttt. Any time you want to debate, Hoss, you just let me know. My contact info is below, and I will destroy you with facts, something a liberal can’t deal with.
Morons with rumors are not facts. We have the facts, that’s why we know you are full of bullguano.
Ray
Thanks for commenting on my post. Why don’t you lay some of these “facts” on us?
He already did. “Obama is Indonesian.” There’s yer fact, right there.
I’m sure he’ll be along with the documentary evidence directly.
1. 1960′s era statutes from Indonesia showing that when an American minor lives in Indonesia for at least 3 years, they are granted Indonesian citizenship.
or 2. 1960′s era statutes from Indonesia showing that when an Indonesian man marries a foreigner, all foreign children from the spouse’s earlier marriage are granted Indonesian citizenship.
Neither of those is true, so the documents might be hard to come by.
Plus 3. 1960′s era statutes from The USA showing that natural-born citizen American minors who are granted citizenship of a foreign country, either via residence or via the remarriage of a parent, lose their natural-born citizenship.
Oops, that one’s going to be hard to come by, too.
Facts are so inconvenient sometimes.
Did you know that Soetoro wasn’t even Lolo Soetoro’s real (born) name? There’s a fun fact.
Okay, Road Scholar, I’ll dialogue with you, as you seem nice enough. I do, however, have a problem with John Van Pelt speaking for me. I’m not an uneducated drone – I can speak for myself. First, let’s just agree to disagree that there has been enough proof of his citizenship. I don’t think so, but you do. I don’t hate you for it, and as an office in the US Air Force, I’ve deployed to fight for your right to state your opinion, whether I agree with it or not. Let’s look at his leadership, or lack thereof. So, Holder’s justice department ran “Fast and Furious” without Obama knowing. Then, Napolitano gave the go-ahead to release thousands of illegal immigrants, and again, Obama didn’t know? Really? Can you imagine a business owner not knowing what his subordinates were doing, and they were making decisions of this magnitude on their own? And what about the military? Can you again imagine subordinate leaders doing whatever they wanted and the Commander not knowing? This proves to me he either doesn’t have control of his own Cabinet, or he’s lying? Because if he didn’t have control, wouldn’t he fire them for such a breach of trust? Why do you think he’s so great? He’s not transparent, like he claims to be. Obamacare is adding trillions to the deficit, although he again lied and said it wouldn’t. Do you think after the government has ran Medicaid, Medicare, the Post Office, Social Security, Solyndra, the list goes on, into the ground that it’s a good idea to give the government control of another 14% of our economy? That’s the definition of socialism, my friend, not capitalism. I could keep going, but until I’m sure you’re not going to devolve to the old reliable tactic of name-calling, I’m not going to waste any more time. And for the record, I’m independent, and I think Republicans are just as much to blame as Democrats for the sorry state of our immoral country.
a. If I “spoke for you” I’m sure you’d be able to provide the quote where I did it.
b. Re: F&F: do you think every President has personal knowledge of every pissant operation started under the previous administration? Yet when it blew up, he admitted he didn’t know about it. Pretty transparent of him — even though he knew he’d get dinged for that, too.
c. Deportations are at an ALL TIME high under Obama. Enforcement on the borders is WAY up over the Bush years. I’m not familiar with the ‘freeing of the illegal immigrants’ story so maybe you could send an unbiased link? But being an illegal immigrant is not a criminal offense, it’s a civil offense…..
d. It is so blatantly clear to anyone who knows what socialism is, that this administration is ANYTHING but socialist, that I really wonder where you are coming from. Obama is profoundly centrist and pragmatic. Obamacare is essentially a capitalist template from Republicans for shoring up the health care system. The CBO estimated that REPEALING Obamacare would add $2B to the deficit. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/28/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-obamacare-adds-trillions-deficit/ — I could cite dozens more major facts illustrating non-socialist policies (e.g., during the Great Crash of 2008-2009, Obama’s advisers pushed for government takeover of the big banks. He refused. Some socialist.)
e. Is Obama Indonesian? I’m fascinated by that one.
And Mr. Van Pelt, you’re kiddng about not seeing any articles about ICE releasing thousands of illegal immigrants from jails, right? It’s all over the news. Big Sis even apologized for the timing yesterday. Google it.
Ray Vin, how can I “dialogue” with someone who has no idea how America works, or to whom you’re speaking?
Your assumption that I must be a “welfare mooch” is a prime example of your ignorance. I started with no family money whatsoever, and with absolutely zero help from the government or bank funding I started a business now entering its 22nd year. Over that time I have employed over two dozen people. Our work is in hundreds of historically significant buildings, ships, and homes. My wife has worked at the same University for 42 years. We have payed taxes for a combined 78 years.
Your other characterization of liberals as “idiots” is likewise amusing in a sad sort of way. I am a life member of Mensa, the Colonial Coin Collectors’ Club, the ANA, and the Antique Motorcycle Club. My score on IQ tests over time has varied from 152 to 158. I formed the Fearelesse Shakespeare Library and am preparing a new edition of Shakespeare’s plays, reproducing the flavor of the early Folios but in electronic form to facilitate editing for use as performance scripts. My wife is a published author, a national expert on the relationship between Literature and Film.
I am more complex and informed than you can possibly imagine. I read three languages besides English fairly well, and speak a smattering of a half-dozen more. I read 20 news sources almost every day. I read military histories, although admittedly only about wars in which America participated. I am trained in rapier & dagger, broadsword, and knife fighting for the stage. My wife and I buy and restore antique houses. I work on my own motorcycles. I collect essays and speeches from the Jackson-VanBuren era, especially concerning abolitionism and the Bank. Some of my early American literature collection is willed to the Library of the University of Virginia, founded by Thomas Jefferson, because I own several items they don’t.
Does that sound like a stupid mooch to you? But that’s who you think liberals are, because you have bought into the right-wing bullshit. Typical and pitiable.
As much as I might think you are a towering asshat, I would never dream of accusing you of hating America. I know you love your country, you just go about it differently than I do. But you guys will claim I hate America without a second thought. But that’s only because you think anyone who disagrees with you must hate America. That’s stupid. Monumentally, breathtakingly stupid, plus insulting and counter-productive as well.
My great-Uncle, Rear Admiral Frank Lyon, signed the surrender papers with the Japanese aboard the Missouri. His grandfather was a minor Confederate general. HIS grandfather started as an indentured servant from Ireland, was elected a Congressman from two States, and died a successful printer and industrialist. My family helped build this country.
So if you want to know who a Liberal is, fine. Learn a thing or two. If not, you can kiss it.
RoadScholar, I’m pretty sure Ray was being sarcastic and deliberately hyperbolic when he said “mooch”. I think he was offended that he was called racist with insufficient evidence, so he was illustrating what it feels like by calling you a “mooch.” For what it’s worth.
I’ve tried to put some stuff together for you from your previous post. Do me a favor and read it. They are from credible sources, and you can actually view the real footage yourself. I was halfway joking about Obama being Indonesian, but in reality, I think he is Kenyan. Michelle Obama, taped during a speech (2007, I think), stated that “Barack’s birth place is in Kenya.” It’s on Youtube. He has a Connecticut SSN, yet he’s never lived there. He won’t release his college records. Why? Possibly because of the demographic information contained in it. His literary agent had him listed as Kenyan from the early 90s to 2007. The biographical information was supplied by Obama himself. Here are some links:
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-obama-born-in-kenya-goes-beyond-1991-brochure
Actually, I think that’s the only one you need. You may not like Infowars, but the sources are credible in this article, and there is a link to the Michelle video. That definitely doesn’t lie.
Here’s another one just in case. Let me know what you think?
Is there some corollary to Godwin’s Law that states, the longer a birther goes on, the probability increases that they will cite Alex Jones? Of course, if all you have is a litany of debunked and false claims, your citation list ends up rather short.
Ray, when they come to take you to your FEMA camp, I recommend asking for one in the upper Midwest. The smell of the pine trees in the morning is just lovely.
That isn’t “evidence”. If Michelle Obama is deposed and is asked, “To the best of your knowledge, where was Barak Obama born?” and she replies “Kenya”, that is evidence. Still, currently the “best evidence” is the birth certificates that Obama released. It is a matter of law.
Thanks for the diatribe. I was obviously mistaken about you. And this time, Mr. Van Pelt is speaking for me. I guess everything else is lost on you – to me, you’re indicative of how far gone America really is. And after all of this typing, you think it’s still okay for you to call me a racist, yet I can’t call you a mooch because I don’t know you. It’s useless talking to people like you.
And just for the record, I speak Arabic, Chinese, and German, as well as read and write them. A lot of my enlisted time in the Army was spent in the Middle East, and I am now a war planner in the Pacific Command, hence the Chinese. I, too, devour military history books, and anything in that genre is fine by me. I like to play golf, although my game can stand quite a bit of improvement. My biggest claim to fame, ancesty-wise, is that I’m a direct descendant of Johann Pieter Saling from Kaiserslautern, Germany. He mapped the lower Mississippi for the Spanish, was captured by the French in Louisiana, and imprisoned for several years. He escaped and made his way back to Virginia, where he was declared a hero by the governor and given quite a bit of land. Unfortunately, I have no claim to hundreds of acres of land in Virginia, but such is life. I collect metal military miniatures, and I have quite the collection. I also collect guns, and I have a couple of Colt antiques in the collection. I could be a member of Mensa, as I scored 139 on the proctored exam; maybe I will join someday. As far as a mooch goes, there are probably some smart ones out there…just sayin’. Whether you are one or not, I truly don’t know. But neither do you know whether I’m a racist or not.
I’ve read up on the ICE releases now. So what was your point? That Republicans are in a lather because their refusal to govern is resulting in draconian budget cuts, that agencies across the board are struggling with how to deal with them, resulting in a certain degree of chaos and misinformation? I honestly see no issue with the releases themselves, with the timing, nor with the fact that Obama personally wasn’t aware of the full scope. I see a slight issue with initial reports that only “hundreds” were released, but I view that as a “forced error,” not as a case of lying.
Infowars? Alex Jones? Credible? Three phrases never before seen in proximity. But I looked. And I’ve seen the Michelle video before. And she very clearly does NOT say “Barack’s birth place is in Kenya,” which was your quote. Nor does she say Barack Obama “visited his home country of Kenya,” which is *their* version of the quote, right above the clip! She actually says, Barack Obama “visited his home country IN Kenya.”
I don’t know about you, but if my father, grandparents, uncles, cousins, and great-grandparents were born and raised and live in Brazil, or Kenya, or Japan — I’d call the area where they live my home country as well. Wouldn’t you? Hell, my ancestors came to New Amsterdam from the Netherlands in *1680*, and I still think of Holland as the home country.
Obama was also proud of visiting his home country of Ireland a couple years ago — where his mother’s family originally came from.
How does any of that impeach the massive, independently corroborated, officially confirmed, fully documented FACT of his Hawaiian birth? It doesn’t even touch it. Give me a break. Obama is the most deeply known, researched, exposed President we’ve ever had.
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/
And you want to see his college records? Just so Infowars can claim they’re forged or something? There’s a country to run. Obama releasing his school records, which would occupy the news cycles for a couple days, helps with Afghanistan how? Helps the deficit how? Helps the budget how? Helps secure embassies, or borders, how? People criticize Obama for being a self-obsessed celebrity (nothing could be further from the truth), and then they want him to suspend government to talk about his own grades. Don’t make me laugh. The school records are nothing but an excuse to accuse him of hiding something. It’s a shell game.
Just because *I* think of a thing you haven’t disclosed, doesn’t suddenly mean *you’re* hiding it. It might just mean I’m a nosy busybody who should get a life.
The SSN. You’re joking, right? Here are the facts — FULLY documented by Orly Taitz, by the way — read her exhibits: Obama at around age 17 applied for an SSN so he could take his first job at Baskin & Robbins in Honolulu. Most American thing in the world. We all did it.
He was issued a SSN, and he used it the rest of his life. He bought homes, opened bank accounts, filed taxes. Nobody else is associated with that SSN, and no other SSN is associated with Obama. There is no record of that SSN anywhere prior to Obama receiving it. There is no such thing as a “Connecticut” SSN. For a period of time SSA used the first 3 digits as a prefix code indicating a regional association, but it was for internal purposes and did not mean anything about the holder of that number. President Eisenhower, who had never lived in California, had a SSN with a California prefix.
The SSN does not now “fail” everify. It allegedly comes back with a code that might mean “unknown” but could mean “hidden”. The first time Linda Jordan broke federal law to research the SSN, it was not hidden. But after birthers plastered the number all over the Internet, something changed. Hmmm. I wonder why? Did you ever have your credit card number stolen? And you kept using the card? No — you closed that account and got a new one. Why would the President be any different? We don’t know for sure, but it’s seems perfectly reasonable to me to suspect that he has been issued a new SSN.
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/
So here’s a question for you: Why are you SO willing to believe — and repeat — these lies about the President?
[I deleted the duplicate comment. Comments with three links get flagged for moderation by Akismet. I will see if I can change that. RC]
It is hard to take anyone seriously who links Alex Jones and tries to debate using long debunked claims. John asked jay vin a good question:
“So here’s a question for you: Why are you SO willing to believe — and repeat — these lies about the President?”
I too would love to hear an answer to this question.
And why do you continue to believe the lamestream media when they’ve been caught in lie after lie after lie? It’s because they’re telling you what you want to hear instead of what you need to hear. Keep drinking the kool-aid, and when this country finally takes its last swirl around the drain, don’t come running to me for help. I’ll be all safe and sound because I see what’s coming. He’s running the country in the ground: welfare going through the roof, the assault on the Constitution, Obamacare (and if you think that’s a good idea, you’re actually stupid, whereas I think you’re just against facing reality now), his Cabinet running wild (Holder and Fast and Furious, Black Panthers, Napolitano with releasing detained illegal immigrant criminals). That’s his fault, and if for some reason you don’t think it is, he needs to grow a pair and fire his Cabinet leaders that are acting on their own accord. Jesus, man, where is any leadership from the “most transparent administration in history?” NOT! But you can go back to your standby comment…”It’s all Bush’s fault.” After five years of ineptitude, it’s still Bush’s fault. Heaven help us survive the next 3.5 years. Maybe he’ll continue to vacation a third of every year and not do any more damage. No military experience, no actual private sector business experience, so what do the sheeple of the US do, they elect this clown to the presidency. Poor guy doesn’t have a clue, but you know what, he’s got 51% of the ignorant voters bought off with freebies, so he wins. You wanted him, you got him, and you get credit for pushing the country down the toilet.
I just read Ray’s reply, and then I read it again, hoping against hope that I had missed some iota of substance, some logic, some point, some argument supported by reason and fact, something other than chanted buzzwords (“Black Panthers”! Oooh, are ya scared yet?!).
But alas, there’s none.
I’ll answer one of the new points (no point answering the points that were already answered, like the ICE releases, since Ray ignored that):
http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/235844/deconstructing-the-5-most-ridiculous-myths-about-barack-obama
So your source said a third of every year (assuming you have a source, and didn’t just pull it out of your sphincter), which would be 120 days, times 3.5 years = 420 days vacation. Whereas the truth is 72, so you were only off by 83%.
I suppose, like with the Indonesia thing, you will fall back on “mostly kidding.” Oh you’re such a kidder. Round these parts, we call that lying.
My question stands: WHY all the lies?
You just recited a list of talking points with no facts or evidence whatsoever. You are blindly following what someone tells you without evidence. How is that different than those you claim follow the “lame stream media” without question? Why are you so willing to accept any claim about the President, but require no verification? Forget about your recycled talking points, what is it truly about this President that makes you hate him so? Be honest. A broad claim of “country going down the drain” without specifics does not answer the question.
On a side note, do you want him in eligible because you dislike what you think he is doing?
On the contrary, I don’t hate Obama, but I think he is a horrible President, just like I’ve thought about some Republicans before. You want “facts”, right, then how about these: we’re another $8 TRILLION more in debt now than we were when he took over; unemployment is still at 9%, with 20%+ for blacks, his largest percentage of voters; we have 45 MILLION people on food stamps, even those that have $200 shoes, a cellphone, pets, they smoke, and they drink, but they need help to buy food; Obamacare, in which another 14% of our economy is being usurped by our federal government. As good a job as they’ve done with the post office, social security, our budget, cash for clunkers, Solyndra and other green energy investments…and the list goes on. So now you tell me, what accomplishment does he have to his name? Passing Obamacare? That’s not an accomplishment; that’s a fiasco that will add trillions more to our debt, and that’s according to the CBO, a non-partisan agency. Are these enough facts for you? Can you answer me now that I’ve taken the time to type these up yet again?
ray vin plays fast and loose with the facts. I checked the latest BLS numbers (for January 13) and the unemployment rate is 7.9% overall and 13.8% for African Americans. See http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm BTW, private sector jobs grew for the 35th straight month in January.
I will address the ICE detainee releases when I have time. This is even more overblown than the Benghazi FoxNews manufactured bullshit.
Shocking.
LOL! You believe those stats? Those that come from the administrations lackies. Check any reputable news source, liberal or conservative, and you’ll see between the lines. Quit being a robot and question the first thing you hear. CNN just the other day was talking about how unemployment among blacks was over 20%. Yes, I could link to it, but I’m tired of providing you a meal. Learn to do it yourself, and you’ll be able to eat for the rest of your life.
Sir, seriously, you trust the BLS? It’s stacked with administration lackies. Look at any news source, even the liberal ones, and you’ll get the real rate. More than anything, I wish the American people would question the first thing they hear. I’m more conservative than liberal, but I vote for who I think will do best for our country. In my opinion, Obama is horrible. And if you think Benghazi is a farce, you’re sadly mistaken. I know more details about that than I’m allowed to talk about. Just today, the State department turned over 100 pages of survivors statements…that’s right, 100 pages. You know how much was redacted? All 100 pages. Why? Why can’t Congress see what really happened. There is more to this story than anyone can know right now, and it will be embarrassing to all Americans, much more so for the administration. You don’t let Americans die when you can do something about it. Don’t close your eyes to this, or turn a deaf ear. Get past your partisan thoughts and look into this.
ray vin said
Where do you think CNN gets their statistics? Got caught fibbing again didn’t you ray vin, Mr. Great Debater.
Is Ray quoting an old article? Since he does not back up his claim with an actual article source, it’s hard to tell. His refusal to do such speaks volumes.
Is this your CNN article from February 6?
http://economy.money.cnn.com/2013/02/06/blacks-unemployment/
Oh wait, it says 7.9% nationally and 13.8% for blacks? Would you like to prove you are not fibbing about the CNN numbers?
Thanks for the link Northland10. I believe those are exactly the numbers I found on the BLS report, which is of course the source for the CNN report. I searched a few seconds today for the CNN article but decided that frankly ray vin wasn’t worth the bother.
I was looking forward to Ray showing me how I had the wrong figures from CNN. He’s missing a perfect opportunity to prove me wrong. He can also show me how a bureau with a deputy commissioner who has been through 4 presidents is an administration lackey.
[Dingbat was removed. I guess he didn't read my comment policy.]
I think ray vin is just lazy. He regurgitates a bunch of RWNJ and birther talking points without providing back up to anything. So far he has not proved he is worthy of debate.
By the way ray vin, paragraphs are allowed here. I know Birthers seem to hate them.
True to form, name-calling as your argument. Thanks for proving my point. I’ll be glad to make my paragraphs shorter for you. Want me to add pictures to, so that it might be easier for you to comprehend?
Any time you want to go head to head in an intelligence contest, bring it.
The comment about paragraphs was meant to be constructive criticism. It is my observation that Birthers tend to write in page long streams of consciousness without paragraphs.
A good place to start would be to quit quoting discredited sources and repeating lies. For example, admitting that President Obama is eligible, was duly elected, is your rightful Commander in Chief, and is not a “usurper” would be an excellent start. If you cannot admit that I would suggest you ought to leave the military as your loyalty to the United States and our system of government is in question.
The narrow issue concerned the SCOTUS decision that the requested stay certification of CA electoral would not be granted review. The Constitution provides for a “Supreme Court” whose decisions are controlling. All of the other posted concerns about Obama’s performance in office don’t enter into the narrow issue.
No. They don’t. I never got anywhere convincing the Birfers they should spend their energies making sensible, credible policy-based criticisms of Obama instead of blowing off mass quantities of time and treasure on the eligibility thing.
You just can’t give some people helpful advice.
If this country adheres to more of your “advice,” we’ll never recover. Probably won’t now. Hopefully, someone with some business experience, and preferably some military experience, can earn the position again instead of people that have no clue.
So do you affirm that President Obama is your rightful and legitimate Commander in Chief?
I have to. He’s my Commander in Chief. That’s why I’d really like to see his college transcripts. At the very least, he lied about his demographic information, perhaps to get preferential treatment to get into college. If it were to say he’s Kenya, coupled with his literary agent claiming that he’s Kenyan for almost 20 years, would that make you finally open your eyes?
You just described George W. Bush. That worked well didn’t it? However, I can’t say he earned the position. He was appointed by a 5-4 vote.
The literary agent said she made a mistake:
College records? You have no evidence to support that Obama ever misrepresented his background in any way. Let it go.
For our friend ray vin:
ray vin is correct. I just don’t know how we will survive until we can get a president like George W. Bush back.
So it’s hard to keep score here. How many claims has Ray made so far that he has failed to prove? And how many of his claims have been shot down without him acknowledging or factually disputing? I know birthers love to slide past the “facts” proved false only to bring them up again later as if they were not. (Is that the name-calling Ray is complaining about?
I think ray vin, aka “The Great Debater” has moved on.
Are you people unfamiliar with what an internet troll is?
Maybe Ray Vin was legit, but by his 8th or 9th post, you were allowing him to completely dictate your comments section.
Give people the benefit of the doubt as long as they deserve it, and not a second longer.
He gave up on his own. I disagree that he dictated anything. I thought he took an appropriate drubbing. Ray Vin was an amateur. Now take MichaelN, there is a troll.