New Xerox 7655 files with 1652 x 1276 JPG background images

Hermitian has claimed in comments that the Xerox WorkCentre 7655 will not produce PDF’s with the background JPG dimensions the same as the Obama LFBC PDF. A reader has sent me two scans that show that Hermitian is once again wrong. (I know. What else is new?)

Here are the files:

01330 Submittal Procedures

16215 Power Distribution System Study

We can find the objects by opening the files in Wordpad or another text editor and looking for the objects with 8 bits per component and we will find the object dimensions.

7 0 obj
<< /Length 3415
/Type /XObject
/Subtype /Image
/BitsPerComponent 8
/Width 1652
/Height 1276
/ColorSpace /DeviceGray
/Filter [/FlateDecode /DCTDecode]
/DecodeParms [null 8 0 R]
>>

Of course all Hermitian had to do was to download the PDF of the Obama’s 2010 tax returns posted on the White House web site to find the same dimensions:

<</BitsPerComponent 8/ColorSpace/DeviceGray/DecodeParms[null 533 0 R]/Filter[/FlateDecode/DCTDecode]/Height 1276/Length 2108/Subtype/Image/Type/XObject/Width 1652>>stream

These dimensions and the Obama tax return scan provide very strong evidence that the WorkCentre 7655 was the exact model used to produce the LFBC scan. The meta data in the Obama tax rerurn places that model in the Executive Office of the President where such personal documents would most likely be managed.

The Obama LFBC PDF itself has the same dimensions:

<< /Length 8 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 1652 /Height 1276 /ColorSpace
11 0 R /BitsPerComponent 8 /Filter /DCTDecode >>
stream

I have run a number of letter sized scans using the Xerox WorkCentre 7535 and the dimensions of the background objects are 1664 x 1280. For example here is a scan I made to test halo creation on a Xerox WorkCentre 7535:

Zebest on Green SP

The dimensions for the background layer are found in the ususal manner:

6 0 obj
<< /Length 128646
/Type /XObject
/Subtype /Image
/BitsPerComponent 8
/Width 1664
/Height 1280
/ColorSpace /DeviceRGB
/Filter [/FlateDecode /DCTDecode]
/DecodeParms [null 7 0 R]
>>

The dimensions for both models make sense for a 150 dpi nominal 8-1/2″ x 11″ scan. The 7535 scan size is slightly larger than the 7655. It is not surprising that there is some slight variation between models. We can use these variations to help determine the particular model Xerox that was used.

There are a number of tell tale signs that a Xerox WorkCentre was used to scan the PDF file of the LFBC posted at the White House web site. The “YCbCr” comment is the most compelling of all. The evidence is now overwhelming.

 

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499 Responses to New Xerox 7655 files with 1652 x 1276 JPG background images

  1. NBC says:

    File Size 1996 kB

    Is that the 19.6MB version ROTFL….

  2. NBC says:

    The resolution of the High-Resolution JPEG is 72 PPI x 72 PPI. The image dimensions are:

    W = 4047 px = 56.208 in.

    H = 4851 px = 67.375 in.

    I guess then I don’t have this ultrahigh resolution image of his.

    You can increase ‘resolution’ but that does not make it ‘ultrahigh’ now does it.

  3. NBC says:

    Sometimes you three Amigos just run together. Maybe if you weren’t constantly pounding each other on the back…

    Hermie has poor attention to detail…

  4. NBC says:

    And this was just 5 min on Google…

    And what a waste it was. Are you trying to spam the blog with meaningless materials? I understand, this thread has become quite embarrassing to you, has it not? You’re pathetic my friend.

  5. NBC says:

    Yes, military.com uses CIP1.5 but it’s not a government organization, dufus…

  6. NBC says:

    You do understand why cropping was not optional ? And didn’t I hear you say something about Photoshop ?

    Now you are projecting again. And yes, the document was imported on a Mac device and likely cropped and downsampled. In addition metadata was added.

    Your point? If any?…

  7. I am picturing J. Scott Applewhite sitting there at the briefing with his professional grade digital SLR in tow shaking his head saying “Nope, I ain’t gonna take no photograph of this here handout. I will wait on the real McCoy. I’m a pro-fessional .” LOL Only in Henry’s world. Henry is such a hoot. 🙂

  8. NBC says:

    Henry is such a hoot

    Today has been one of his best days so far.

  9. Today has been one of his best days so far.

    You are correct sir! Even by Hermitian standards this has been a good one. I am just catching up.

  10. Hermitian says:

    NBC

    Please contact Mr. Conspiracy and inform him that the High Resolution Image that he posted never existed.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/long-form-artifacts-vanish-at-higher-resolution/

    ROTFL…

  11. NBC says:

    Oh, I know that someone created a higher resolution version. But in the end it is still based on the lower resolution one.

    GIGO. Unless you can tell us how they got the picture in the first place 🙂

    • Hermitian says:

      NBC

      Oh, I know that someone created a higher resolution version. But in the end it is still based on the lower resolution one.

      GIGO. Unless you can tell us how they got the picture in the first place 🙂

      Obviously, you have got it backwards. A lower resolution image is the result of downsampling from a higher resolution image. Otherwise you have to add pixels to an existing lower resolution image to create a higher resolution image. Why would anyone even try to do that ? Besides, the higher resolution image is a reality. It is the highest resolution image of the reporter’s handout except for one of the actual paper handout copies which don’t seem to exist anymore.

      You claimed that Nick Chase lied because his files didn’t back up his narrative. I have the very high-resolution file cited by Chase. I posted the links to where I acquired it. I also posted the Metadata that I personally obtained from the JPEG. You can acquire the file yourself from either link.

      The link to the Obamafile blog were Davidson got it from is here:

      http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/BirthCertificateII.htm

      The link is “(high resolution copy — 2 mBytes).” just below the Obama Video.

      And you definitely owe Nick Chase a public apology. But I don’t owe you a thing on the history of this file.

      • NBC says:

        You claimed that Nick Chase lied because his files didn’t back up his narrative. I have the very high-resolution file cited by Chase.

        The file is not 19.6MB now is it and the file is of dubious origins. It appears that someone played with CS and increased the resolution. Is that all you have to show, and nothing really helps you…

      • NBC says:

        Why would I owe Nick a public apology my friend. I merely pointed out that he has no reference to support the 19.6MB file nor the high resolution, which he obtained from a questionable source.
        It is possible that the file in question was obtained from AP Images but again, the file does not show any evidence of such.

        Not much to go on here really.

      • NBC says:

        So again we see Hermitian not really getting what he hoped for. The size 19.6 MB did not match up with this file and the origin of the file, created on 04/28/2011 is of unknown origins. It fails to contain the metadata found in the jpeg embedded in the AP pdf.

  12. NBC says:

    Hermie: You claimed that Nick Chase lied because his files didn’t back up his narrative.

    I never said that he lied my friend, that is a lie.

    Hermie: Nick Chase reported that, in its original form, the AP image was 19.6 MB. That exactly agrees with the image that I obtained.

    Really… and yet you show us a file which is nowhere close to this size. My oh my… Who is forgetting what he said…

    Poor Hermitian, the day is not ending much better than it begun.

    • Hermitian says:

      NBC

      “”Hermie: Nick Chase reported that, in its original form, the AP image was 19.6 MB. That exactly agrees with the image that I obtained.””

      Really… and yet you show us a file which is nowhere close to this size. My oh my… Who is forgetting what he said…

      Poor Hermitian, the day is not ending much better than it begun.

      Helpless Obot !

      Pathetic !

      1. Using the mouse pad, place the + Zoom cursor anywhere on the image.

      2. Left Click mouse

      3. Right Click anywhere on zoomed image

      4. Left Click on Properties

      5. Read Dimensions: 4047 x 4851 pixels

      6. Left Click OK

      7. Right Click anywhere on zoomed image

      8. Left Click on save picture as…

      9. Left Click Save

      10. Apologize for being an A_ _.

      • NBC says:

        The JPEG is a few megabytes. Your are quite funny though…

        Poor Hermitian believes that Save As, on an image will restore it to its ‘original’ size 🙂

        • Hermitian says:

          NBC

          Poor Hermitian believes that Save As, on an image will restore it to its ‘original’ size

          I didn’t know that Obots can’t follow recipes. I’ll have to be more careful in the future. I don’t want to bruise anyone’s brain cells. Especially when I’m having soooooooo…. much fun.

          • NBC says:

            I remember how Hermitian could not even extract the FlateDecode encoded DCTEncode image, even though I gave him all the tools, leading him to be unable to find the YCbCr comment. Those were the days…

            Ah, such good memories… Hermitian continues to live up to my expectations….

      • NBC says:

        I see, you assume that it was saved as a RAW format by his camera 🙂

  13. NBC says:

    Has our friend confused 19.6MB with 19.6 Megapixels?

    ROTFL… Gotcha..

  14. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    Okay, Hermie…

    Claimed size: 19.6 MB
    Actual size: 1.95 MB
    Error*: 1.5 cDmb

    I accept your apology for being an ass. It is, after all, the only thing you have left.

    *The Dembski is a unit of error that measures deviation from the actual value. 1 Dmb is an error of approximately 65 orders of magnitude. Errors less than 15% form the actual value are less than 1 mDmb; a claim like the one Hermie made would require less than 0.1 mDmb, or about 1% error. Named in “honor” of William Dembski, an Intelligent Design mathematician known for having large errors on the order of tens of magnitude.

    • Hermitian says:

      Three Amigos

      The Real AP LFCOLB

      Here are the facts again:

      The extracted JPEG from the AP pdf file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf”

      W = 2698 px = 13.490 in. @ 200 PPI

      H = 3234 px = 16.170 in. @ 200 PPI

      H/W = 1.1986

      H x W = 8,725,332

      Nick Chase’s High Resolution JPEG

      W = 4047 px = 56.208 in. @ 72 PPI

      H = 4851 px = 67.375 in. @ 72 PPI

      H/W = 1.1986

      H x W = 19,631,997

      As I was, Nick Chase was wrestling with the question was the higher resolution image a photograph or a scan?

      Although, he came down on the side of photograph and I came down on the side of scan, we both agree that the original AP image is 4047 x 4851 = 19,631,997.

      At the same page size (13.490 x 16.170) of the smaller image the larger (56.208 x 67.375) image would have a pixel resolution of 300 PPI x 300 PPI.

      Obviously, Applewhite used Photoshop to downsample the image from 300 PPI x 300 PPI to 200 PPI x 200 PPI. And I can prove it.

      Now why the H_ _ _ do I have to do everything for you clueless Obots?

      If I threw half the diversions your way that you throw my way you would be constantly lost.

      As it is now, you are just mostly lost.

  15. NBC says:

    Now why the H_ _ _ do I have to do everything for you clueless Obots?

    Because you mentioned 19.6 MB and now you claim that you meant 19.6 mega pixels. ROTFL, you are hilarious.

    Still there is no source provided for the ‘higher resolution’ jpeg and the jpeg does not contain any of the usual metadata.

    So who created the JPEG? Was it really a higher resolution one or was it upsampled?
    Anyone can ‘create’ a “higher” resolution jpeg, of course, it will just be interpolated and the illusion of higher resolution may not make the image truly better.

    I am glad to hear that the evidence does point to a photograph in the end 🙂

    Obviously, Applewhite used Photoshop to downsample the image from 300 PPI x 300 PPI to 200 PPI x 200 PPI. And I can prove it.

    No you cannot, you can speculate about it. Not that it really matters but this is just getting quite funny. If Applewhite downsamples the image to 200 ppi how did Nick get his hands on a 300 ppi image.

    🙂 What a way to celebrate a friday…

  16. NBC says:

    Kevin: I accept your apology for being an ass. It is, after all, the only thing you have left.

    What a Dembski amongst friends.. Poor Hermitian, he is just struggling and struggling…

  17. NBC says:

    I asked

    Has our friend confused 19.6MB with 19.6 Megapixels?

    Was I right or was I right… Ah the smell of a cDmb in the morning..

  18. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    Obviously, Applewhite used Photoshop to downsample the image from 300 PPI x 300 PPI to 200 PPI x 200 PPI. And I can prove it.

    The original on APImages is

    W = 2698 px @ 300 PPI = 8.993 in.
    H = 3234 px @ 300 PPI = 10.78 in.

    The ABC image is

    W = 2698 px @ 200 PPI = 13.490 in.
    H = 3234 px @ 200 PPI = 16.170 in.

    The Obama Files image is

    W = 4047 px @ undefined PPI = unknown size (default to 72 PPI)
    H = 4851 px @ undefined PPI = unknown size (default to 72 PPI)

    Also, the ABC image has an additional credit, whereas the Obama Files image has no credits at all.

    Based on inspection, the APImages and ABC images are very similar, the main difference being a different resolution. The Obama Files image, on the other hand, despite having more pixels, is blockier, has less definition, and considerably more JPEG artifacts. The only workflow that makes sense is APImages->resize to 200 PPI without resampling->ABC->resample @ 300 PPI without resizing->Obama Files.

    • Hermitian says:

      WKV

      The original on APImages is

      W = 2698 px @ 300 PPI = 8.993 in.
      H = 3234 px @ 300 PPI = 10.78 in.

      The ABC image is

      W = 2698 px @ 200 PPI = 13.490 in.
      H = 3234 px @ 200 PPI = 16.170 in.

      Yes and if the (8.993 in. x 10.78 in.) page size of the 300 PPI x 300 PPI AP image is scaled up to (13.490 in. x 16.170 in.) to match the page size of the ABC image (200 PPI x 200 PPI) then the resolution of the AP image decreases from (300 PPI x 300 PPI) to (200 PPI x 200 PPI).

      ROTFL….

  19. NBC says:

    I didn’t know that Obots can’t follow recipes. I’ll have to be more careful in the future. I don’t want to bruise anyone’s brain cells. Especially when I’m having soooooooo…. much fun.

    Well, you forgot some details such as save as… in what format exactly 🙂 Or using what tool? But in the end, you confused 19.6MB and 19.6 mega pixels.

    A little embarrassing as you were a factor of 10 off. What is even more embarrassing is your claims as to what you can ‘prove’ Applewhite did or did not do. I assumed that you talked to him?

    Oh, you have not? Well… Explain your ‘thinking’. I am looking for an equally successful Friday. Yesterday however was a day in which poor Hermitian was pnked and pwned almost a dozen times.

    He must be having ‘sooooooo….. much fun’. ROTFL, which explains his polite mood 😉

    Come on Hermitian, “Make My Day pnk”…

  20. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    BTW, to calculate Dembskis, the formula is:

    |ln(E/R)|/(log UPB)

    where

    E = Erroneous value
    R = Real value
    UPB = Universal Probability Boundary = 10^150, a term invented by Dembski

    The simplified formula is:

    |ln(E/R)|/150

    NB: I had a hand in creating the formula.

    • Hermitian says:

      WKV

      NB: I had a hand in creating the formula.

      Better get off the Dumski trip and back on the LFCOLB. You’re falling way behind. And I am already sooooooo… far ahead.

  21. Hermitian says:

    NBC

    Oh! The Obot irony meter just pegged at full scale. Now the Higher Resolution AP image exists just like the Obama LFCOLB exists — no more — no less. You have no more hard evidence of the origin of the Obama LFCOLB than is available in the public domain for the Higher Resolution AP image.

    For example you just admitted that the 300 PPI x 300 PPI resolution of the text layers of the Obama LFCOLB could have been created by up-sampling the 200 PPI x 200 PPI AP PDF image to a Black & White image at 300 PPI x 300 PPI (and at the reduced size of the LFCOLB). Then segmenting the B & W image and adding the image of the Green background safety paper would complete the creation.

    But more probable would be the down-sampling of the higher resolution 300 PPI x 300 PPI (13.490 in. x 16.170 in.) AP image to a 300 PPI x 300 PPI B&W image at the reduced size of the Obama LFCOLB. The remaining steps would be the same.

    Prove that didn’t happen Ace…

  22. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    If I threw half the diversions your way that you throw my way you would be constantly lost.

    I hope everybody had their irony meters hooked in parallel. Any less than five in parallel would have been roasted on that comment.

  23. NBC says:

    Now the Higher Resolution AP image exists just like the Obama LFCOLB exists — no more — no less. You have no more hard evidence of the origin of the Obama LFCOLB than is available in the public domain for the Higher Resolution AP image.

    You can download the LFCOLB from the whitehouse, you can download the AP document from the AP website. The AP document includes a 200 PPI image.

    Sorry my friend, you did not wake up yet?

    As to proof, remember that you said you could prove it… Now you are moving the burden? I am not surprised, not at all.

    Keep trying my friend, you are doing great… Soon the CCP will be squirming even more, I am sure.

    • Hermitian says:

      Four Amigos

      As to proof, remember that you said you could prove it… Now you are moving the burden? I am not surprised, not at all.

      I never had the burden ACE. But if I were Mr. C and I took on the task of supplying RC with a White background copy of the AP JPEG then I would first find the highest resolution image out there. Looks like Mr. C found it. And he gave credits to
      the Obama File.

      “A high-resolution scan of the photocopy is available (courtesy of The Obama File) and it explains a lot of what “seen” in the PDF .”

      I agree. It certainly explains the 300 PPI x 300 PPI resolution of the text layers of the Obama LFCOLB PDF image. But that TXE is very clear in the higher resolution (300 PPI x 300 PPI) AP image.

      • NBC says:

        I agree. It certainly explains the 300 PPI x 300 PPI resolution of the text layers of the Obama LFCOLB PDF image.

        ROTFL, still desperate and still no evidence that a 300 PPI version existed. I have already shown how the RC version was created from the 200 ppi version included in the AP PDF.

        Keep up the good work my friend. It’s trivial to research and debunk your claims but still quite entertaining.

  24. Hermitian says:

    Three Amigos

    The Obots are full of venom but have no facts to rebut the obvious. And one thing is for certain. They know absolutely nothing about photography. And lots of other stuff for that matter.

    Fun !…Fun !…Fun !

  25. NBC says:

    Yes and if the (8.993 in. x 10.78 in.) page size of the 300 PPI x 300 PPI AP image is scaled up to (13.490 in. x 16.170 in.) to match the page size of the ABC image (200 PPI x 200 PPI) then the resolution of the AP image decreases from (300 PPI x 300 PPI) to (200 PPI x 200 PPI).

    Sure, simple math, I understand but you still have failed to provide any foundations that this is what happened and who or what released the 300 ppi document.

    Good luck my friend. Hope that you are no longer as confused about the differences between megabytes and megapixels. Now that was a howler…

  26. NBC says:

    For example you just admitted that the 300 PPI x 300 PPI resolution of the text layers of the Obama LFCOLB could have been created by up-sampling the 200 PPI x 200 PPI AP PDF image to a Black & White image at 300 PPI x 300 PPI (and at the reduced size of the LFCOLB). Then segmenting the B & W image and adding the image of the Green background safety paper would complete the creation.

    I have shown a much simpler workflow which actually recreates all the artifacts.

    You are still a bit slow today?…

  27. Hermitian says:

    NBC

    You can download the LFCOLB from the whitehouse, you can download the AP document from the AP website.

    And you can download the Higher Resolution AP Image here:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/06/long-form-artifacts-vanish-at-higher-resolution/

    I know because that’s where I got it originally.

    Thanks Mr. C. You really came through on that one. To bad you used the lower resolution image in your analysis.

    ROTFL….

    Fun ! … Fun ! … Fun ! … Fun !

  28. NBC says:

    And you can download the Higher Resolution AP Image here:

    That’s hardly a relevant source. Dr C found the document at the Obama file and they do not explain how the image was created.

    Sorry my friend, but while the resolution is higher, it is not apparent that it is not extrapolated. Given that the jpg was released a day after the AP document was released, and given the lack of metadata, the origin of the the JPEG is suspect.

    Have you bothered comparing the 200 and 300 ppi jpegs?

    What have you done exactly other than confusing megabytes and megapixels?

    I assume you contacted Applewhite?

    No? Why not… For goodness sakes Hermie, you dropped the ball again?

    • Hermitian says:

      NBC

      Mr. C published the link on his web site and used the low resolution extracted image in his analysis

      That’s hardly a relevant source. Dr C found the document at the Obama file and they do not explain how the image was created.

      So you’re handing off Mr. C’s burden to the Obama File ?

      What about the White Background JPEG that Mr. C. furnished to RC for his trial scans on Green safety paper? Can you tell us what Mr. C’s source was for that Blue background original that he bleached to White ? It could easily have been higher resolution than the (300 PPi x 300 PPI) of the Obama LFCOLB and certainly higher than the low resolution of 200 PPI x 200 PPI of the AP PDF.

      So you are saying that the resolution of the White paper original isn’t relevant ?

  29. Hermitian says:

    I better start counting my laps on these Amigos. I don’t want to get so far ahead that I can’t keep an eyeball on them.

    ROTFL…

  30. NBC says:

    I never had the burden ACE.

    Well, you are right, you never believed you had any burden my deluded friend. Yes you said you could prove it and now you back away.

    Understandable…

    So clueless, so unable to respond with any relevant information. That’s the Hermitian we have learned to love. Of course, he gets even better when he does try to make assertions of ‘fact’. Oh boy… Then he almost invariably falters.

    Love the guy.

    • Hermitian says:

      NBC

      Well, you are right, you never believed you had any burden my deluded friend. Yes you said you could prove it and now you back away.

      There’s a difference between could and would. An Obot named NBC has proven that in spades.

  31. NBC says:

    And he gave credits to the Obama File.

    Yes you are good at reciting the known facts, but still unable to address the real questions.

    Poor Hermitian, and he thought the 19.6MB was an embarrassing error on his part.

  32. NBC says:

    If you place the 200 and 300 ppi side by side, the image looks interpolated… Too bad our friend has no idea where the 300 ppi comes from.

    Try the interpolation. Cubic looks most similar…

    He is so many laps ahead that he must already have considered this, but he still has no reliable source to explain the jpeg. Somewhat predictable I would say.

    • Hermitian says:

      NBC

      If you place the 200 and 300 ppi side by side, the image looks interpolated… Too bad our friend has no idea where the 300 ppi comes from.

      The downsampling command in Photoshop also has seven different options. What does “looks interpolated” look like ?

  33. The largest file for on line versions of the AP photo I have found is here: http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14523440/white-house-releases-president-obamas-birth-certificate. This one is 6.96 MB, 4047 x 4851 pixels. This image was saved last with Adobe Photoshop CS4.

    Henry is such a laugh. Here is the portion in this image with the word “THE”. Sure Henry, it really looks like “TXE” doesn’t it? Unless of course you are honest and admit that there are just lighter pixels that are part of the letter “H” in an area of the stamp that also isn’t clear on the surrounding letters.

    You know it is one thing to be inept but it is another to be a despicable liar.

  34. Jim says:

    NBC says: “Love the guy.”
    You might as well, you’re pretty much his entertainment on the internet…he doesn’t get out of his mother’s basement much and his luck with women is even worse than his luck with getting the President out of office. But Hermie, you can show us how someone would have put together the President’s LFBC manually and then posted it on the web. We’ve seen that all the pieces that the CCP claim were signs of forgery and how they align with the Xerox workflow, if you could put one together yourself and document your steps, you might have something. Remember, the missing piece in the CCP analysis is the proof that someone COULD have put it together the way they stated…show us it can be done! In other words, why aren’t you holding the CCP to the same standards that you’re holding NBC, RC, and Kevin?

  35. NBC says:

    Let’s see if we can narrow down the QM. And look what I found

    // index 5, Q60
    	// index 5, Q60
    	{  13,  9, 10, 11, 10,  8, 13, 11, 
               10, 11, 14, 14, 13, 15, 19, 32,
    	   21, 19, 18, 18, 19, 39, 28, 30,
               23, 32, 46, 41, 49, 48, 46, 41,
    	   45, 44, 51, 58, 74, 62, 51, 54, 
               70, 55, 44, 45, 64, 87, 65, 70,
    	   76, 78, 82, 83, 82, 50, 62, 90, 
              97, 90, 80, 96, 74, 81, 82, 79 },
    	{  14, 14, 14, 19, 17, 19, 38, 21, 
               21, 38, 79, 53, 45, 53, 79, 79,
    	   79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 
               79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79,
    	   79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 
               79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79,
    	   79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 
                79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79, 79 },
    

    versus

    Quantization table
      Precision=0; Table index=0 (luminance)
          13   9  10  11  10   8  13  11
          10  11  14  14  13  15  19  32
          21  19  18  18  19  39  28  30
          23  32  46  41  49  48  46  41
          45  44  51  58  74  62  51  54
          70  55  44  45  64  87  65  70
          76  78  82  83  82  50  62  90
          97  90  80  96  74  81  82  79
      Estimated quality level = 53.35%
    
    Quantization table
      Precision=0; Table index=1 (chrominance)
          14  14  14  19  17  19  38  21
          21  38  79  53  45  53  79  79
          79  79  79  79  79  79  79  79
          79  79  79  79  79  79  79  79
          79  79  79  79  79  79  79  79
          79  79  79  79  79  79  79  79
          79  79  79  79  79  79  79  79
          79  79  79  79  79  79  79  79
      Estimated quality level = 30.46%
    
  36. NBC says:

    The larges file for on line versions of the AP photo I have found is here: http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14523440/white-house-releases-president-obamas-birth-certificate. This one is 6.96 MB, 4047 x 4851 pixels.

    Created on April 27, 2011 at 7:05:04 AM

    Software                        : Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows
    Modify Date                     : 2011:04:27 09:02:26
    Color Space                     : Uncalibrated
    Exif Image Width                : 4047
    Exif Image Height               : 4851
    Compression                     : JPEG (old-style)
    

    And shows the workflow

    History Action : converted, saved, converted, derived, saved
    History Parameters : from application/pdf to application/vnd.adobe.photoshop, from application/pdf to image/jpeg, converted from application/vnd.adobe.photoshop to image/jpeg

    It shows the AP document ID

    uuid:cbc77ddb-0cfd-453e-b022-b288c2daeab5

    Poor Hermitian…
    and the QM

    Quantization table
      Precision=0; Table index=0 (luminance)
           1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1
           1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1
           1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1
           1   1   1   1   2   1   1   1
           1   1   1   2   2   2   2   2
           2   2   2   2   2   2   2   2
           2   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
      Estimated quality level = 98.29%
      Precision=0; Table index=1 (chrominance)
           1   1   1   1   1   1   2   1
           1   2   3   2   2   2   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
           3   3   3   3   3   3   3   3
      Estimated quality level = 97.30%
    Average quality: 98.59% (99%)
    

    Close but no cigar…

  37. NBC says:

    Just to help out our friend Hermitian

    The ap PDF was opened into Photoshop, converted and saved as a jpeg. Since we know that the ap document contains a 200 PPI image, the conclusion is devastating…

  38. NBC says:

    Hermitian, that’s how you do proper research….

    Just saying….

  39. NBC says:

    You might as well, you’re pretty much his entertainment on the internet

    Well, I must be quite a laugh for him then. I feel sorry for him as he aspires to ‘beat’ the three amigos at our game but fails to get even close. Remember the black knight in Monty Python’s Quest for the Holy Grail?

    Just a flesh wound 🙂

  40. NBC says:

    Hermie: There’s a difference between could and would. An Obot named NBC has proven that in spades.

    Projecting your own failures onto others. Fascinating. Remember Hermie’s comments?

    Obviously, Applewhite used Photoshop to downsample the image from 300 PPI x 300 PPI to 200 PPI x 200 PPI. And I can prove it.

    And yet, the evidence shows just the opposite.
    How darn frustrating…

  41. NBC says:

    So you are saying that the resolution of the White paper original isn’t relevant ?

    Resolution of the paper original… I think I understand what you are trying to say here. So we agree that there is a paper original and that the PDF was created using a simple, repeatable work flow?

    Some progress, finally… I guess the facts are too overwhelming.

    Friday is going to be an even more fun day…

  42. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    And 12NewsNow got its story from…

    ABC News. That pretty much clinches it. Obama Files has the same dimensions, but at a third the size. There might be another stop or two along the way to Obama Files, but this (or whatever ABC affiliate 12NewsNow got it from) is clearly on the path.

  43. NBC says:

    The downsampling command in Photoshop also has seven different options. What does “looks interpolated” look like ?

    Do I need to hold your hand? It is not downsampling but rather upsampling we are talking about here. The original was 200 PPI, imported from the AP PDF. So start with the AP PDF import and then convert and save as jpeg.

    The Obama File version was touched by yet another component assuming it came from the RC provided link.

  44. NBC says:

    Kevin: ABC News. That pretty much clinches it. Obama Files has the same dimensions, but at a third the size. There might be another stop or two along the way to Obama Files, but this (or whatever ABC affiliate 12NewsNow got it from) is clearly on the path.

    It’s so much fun to do this kind of detective work. I wish people understood how to unravel these mysteries better though, as it would save us the time and effort, however little, and would be so intellectually satisfying.

  45. Hermitian says:

    RC

    The larges file for on line versions of the AP photo I have found is here: http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14523440/white-house-releases-president-obamas-birth-certificate. This one is 6.96 MB, 4047 x 4851 pixels.

    Henry is such a laugh. Here is the portion in this image with the word “THE”. Sure Henry, the “TXE”

    This is the 300 PPI x 300 PPI image which is the same dimensions as the ABC PDF. Why would we be surprised because your link is to an ABC affiliate.

    The date/time of this file on my hard drive is 4/27/2011 9:28 AM. The file size is 7.131 MB. I just re-downloaded it and the file size is the same.

    This file has been big in the Birther community since the gitgo.

  46. Hermitian says:

    NBC

    ROTFL, still desperate and still no evidence that a 300 PPI version existed. I have already shown how the RC version was created from the 200 ppi version included in the AP PDF.

    Keep up the good work my friend. It’s trivial to research and debunk your claims but still quite entertaining.

    The 300 PPI x 300 PPI version of the file that I posted which is 72 PPI x
    72 PPI is the file

    14523440_BG1.jpg 4/27/2011 9:28 AM 7,131 KB

    I have had this file for years. The above data is from my hard drive today. The image does NOT appear to be interpolated.

    So are you ready to guess the origin of Chase’s larger image at 72 PPI x 72 PPI yet ?

    You’ve still got a lot of catching up to do…

  47. NBC says:

    This file has been big in the Birther community since the gitgo.

    And poorly reviewed and researched it appears. But it is not the same dimensions

    Image Size : 4047×4851

    And it is clear that the image was created by importing the AP PDF, increasing the resolution and saving it as a JPEG using Adobe Photoshop.

    As to the Obama File version, it likely was based on this jpeg and saved with additional compression.

    What a mess… Why could these birthers not properly research the work flow?

    PS: the proper expression is “from the get-go” 🙂

  48. NBC says:

    I have had this file for years. The above data is from my hard drive today. The image does NOT appear to be interpolated.

    And yet it was created from the AP PDF which was 200 DPI and saves as 300 DPI. How did that happen without interpolation?

    Shoddy my friend, shoddy. Compare the image with the AP jpeg and then increase the resolution and dimensions to match. Compare…

  49. NBC says:

    14523440_BG1.jpg 4/27/2011 9:28 AM 7,131 KB

    Yes, that’s the file which shows the workflow: Import AP PDF, convert and save as JPEG. Since we know that the resolution of the image in the PDF is 200 DPI, and since we know that the JPEG saved was 300 PPI, there appears to be a simple and logical conclusion.

    So you have had this document that long and is this the first time you look at it in detail? So share with us what you have found?

    • Hermitian says:

      RC

      I’m sure I just copied the sheet of paper handed out by the White House by using my Canon EOS 1D Mark IV at the time, either using a 24-70 zoom or a 50mm lens. And yes, handheld.

      Thanks for proving my point. Applewhite is sure that he just copied the sheet (singular) of paper handed out by the White House. Therefore he didn’t photograph a stack of sheets as I knew he would not. Therefore the bleedthrough could not have occurred as RC claims. Moreover Vicklund has reported that Applewhite photographed every sheet in the stack individually. Moreover Vicklund claims that all the images have the bleedthrough shadows. Thus Applewhite would have had to either separate the sheets to photograph them individually or fold the top sheet behind the stack one after the other to shoot each sheet in turn. However, had he separated the sheets then again there would be no bleedthrough. And had he folded the top sheet behind the stack one after the other then he would not remember photographing a single sheet of paper. So none of this could have happened as RC has narrated.

  50. Henry said

    So none of this could have happened as RC has narrated.

    Scott Applewhite confirmed it happened exactly as we said . You are the one who claimed the copy was scanned and could not have been a hand held photograph with a camera. Either admit you were wrong or you are permanently and forever banned. The bleed through of the second page is there. It is not arguable.

    You must admit you were wrong and apologize to my readers on your next comment or you are gone for good this time. I have had enough of your games.

    You can go play on Amazon where your posts will be voted down and hidden.

  51. NBC says:

    So none of this could have happened as RC has narrated.

    Again making claims that could be addressed by talking to Applewhite. You were already embarrassed once by your silly assertions, because RC actually contacted Applewhite.

    You have no shame or sense of responsibility for your own mistakes. You just move on. Time to apologize my friend.

    This has been a great two days where Hermie totally was pnked and pwned. Not that it was that hard but still the number of failures was impressive.

  52. You have no shame or sense of responsibility for your own mistakes. You just move on. Time to apologize my friend.

    Exactly.

  53. Henry

    You have one and only one chance to get it right. No equivocation. No playing with words. No splitting hairs. One chance and only one. An admission and an apology.

  54. NBC says:

    I cannot imagine that Hermie will admit to having been wrong. He has been wrong countless times and never taken responsibility.
    But he is a lot of fun and makes for a great example. Which is of course, why we all like him. 😉

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